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	<title>Comments on: How to Be a Master at Anything</title>
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		<title>By: Wyatt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I do agree that most if not all physical tasks are master able by everyone. i don't agree that all right brained tasks are master able, yet at least more on this later down. I do apologies in advance for my grammar and spelling mistakes please don't take this as a sign that i don't have intelligence. I have an incredible difference between my verbal and written IQs. Since a very young age i have been able to read at incredibly fast rates and retain most if not all of it. I dont think thats a skill most people can get yes you can train to be a speed reader as prooven her by tim ferris http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/07/30/speed-reading-and-accelerated-learning/ But i don't think you can train to be able to read things once maybe twice and have it in memory forever. for example when i was 15 i had a 150 word vocabulary test that I didn't get to study for. I looked down the list of the words for about 5 minutes. took the test and scored a 99%. Only because i forgot to fill my name in. Another example is my musical ear that i was born with. I have perfect pitch meaning I can hear any sound and tell you what note it is. In everything that i have read i have never found somebody being able to train to having a perfect pitch ear. I know you can gain a better relative pitch ear because everybody has relative pitch its just a matter of being able to find out what the differences mean notation wise. The last skill i can think of is singing while people can train to have very good singing voices some people just have better voices that cant be trained to. Yes those singers have to maintain there voices threw rigorous training but they have a natural vibrato that there born with. But about my very early comment in this post about training right brained activities and how we cant just yet. I don't think that we know enough about the right brain yet to fully understand how it works. because while science is incredible its all about left brained thoughts of logic. Once science can open up and use the right brain for more then just creativity but using the right brain's mixed brand of logic i think we will be able to fully understand how to learn right brained tasks. I am 17 and if anything i have posted is wrong please do not hesitate to point out the research that says other wise that is why im posting this i am very curious if you truly can gain every skill in the world with out any natural talent for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I do agree that most if not all physical tasks are master able by everyone. i don&#8217;t agree that all right brained tasks are master able, yet at least more on this later down. I do apologies in advance for my grammar and spelling mistakes please don&#8217;t take this as a sign that i don&#8217;t have intelligence. I have an incredible difference between my verbal and written IQs. Since a very young age i have been able to read at incredibly fast rates and retain most if not all of it. I dont think thats a skill most people can get yes you can train to be a speed reader as prooven her by tim ferris <a href="http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/07/30/speed-reading-and-accelerated-learning/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/07/30/speed-reading-and-accelerated-learning/</a> But i don&#8217;t think you can train to be able to read things once maybe twice and have it in memory forever. for example when i was 15 i had a 150 word vocabulary test that I didn&#8217;t get to study for. I looked down the list of the words for about 5 minutes. took the test and scored a 99%. Only because i forgot to fill my name in. Another example is my musical ear that i was born with. I have perfect pitch meaning I can hear any sound and tell you what note it is. In everything that i have read i have never found somebody being able to train to having a perfect pitch ear. I know you can gain a better relative pitch ear because everybody has relative pitch its just a matter of being able to find out what the differences mean notation wise. The last skill i can think of is singing while people can train to have very good singing voices some people just have better voices that cant be trained to. Yes those singers have to maintain there voices threw rigorous training but they have a natural vibrato that there born with. But about my very early comment in this post about training right brained activities and how we cant just yet. I don&#8217;t think that we know enough about the right brain yet to fully understand how it works. because while science is incredible its all about left brained thoughts of logic. Once science can open up and use the right brain for more then just creativity but using the right brain&#8217;s mixed brand of logic i think we will be able to fully understand how to learn right brained tasks. I am 17 and if anything i have posted is wrong please do not hesitate to point out the research that says other wise that is why im posting this i am very curious if you truly can gain every skill in the world with out any natural talent for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts. Will try and start implementing your sugg's. Thanks

Dave
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts. Will try and start implementing your sugg&#8217;s. Thanks</p>
<p>Dave<br />
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		<title>By: Chris Quick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Quick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luc reminds me of Colvin's final chapter. Really the whole premise of his book is that our achievement is not rooted in talent, but in belief - what the people around us believe about our abilities and thus, what we believe about our own capacity to achieve. If we believe we can achieve mastery, we probably can. 

Gladwell's opening chapter of Outliers is relevant, too. Slight variations in ability, or even perceptions of unusual ability, may lead teachers, coaches, or parents to award a child with special praise or attention, which motivates him to try harder at the activity, which leads to more success, which may get him access to better teachers, and begins a cycle that propels him toward mastery.

I just started Outliers so I haven't read about the 10,000 hours yet, but will be interested to see if I agree with Kaizan. Does Gladwell's 10,000 hour theory apply mainly to a broad, complex activity, such as "playing golf" or "mastering chess?" If so, I'd think the evidence I've seen supports it. If you're going to attack something simple, like the video game Pong, you could probably achieve mastery in less time.

Bakari raises interesting questions. Where does passion for a skill set come from? Are we born with a passion for something that makes us work harder to improve our skills, or are we born with natural abilities in select areas, so that our early success motivates us to keep trying? Do we inherit our parents' passion?

I'm reminded of an article I read about hypersensitivities in gifted children. http://bit.ly/3wi2b7 I do believe there is "neurodiversity" among human beings, that our abilities fall along a spectrum and some people are at the high end of the spectrum and stand out from the crowd. I personally related to Dabrowski's classification of "Intellectual Intensity" defined below:

"This intensity is the one most recognized in gifted children. It is characterized by activities of the mind, thought and thinking about thinking. Children who lead with this intensity seem to be thinking all the time and want answers to deep thoughts. Sometimes their need for answers will get them in trouble in school when their questioning of the teacher can look like disrespectful challenging."

Deep curiosity
Love of knowledge and learning
Love of problem solving
Avid reading
Asking of probing questions
Theoretical thinking
Analytical thinking
Independent thinking
Concentration, ability to maintain intellectual effort"

Is Dabrowski's theory bunk, or is this really a type of giftedness? Did I just develop these characteristics because my parents were teachers and encouraged me to love learning and thinking? I always felt different from other kids growing up, but was it a result of adults telling me I was different and the belief then leading me to work harder intellectually? I also was given access to "talented and gifted" programs and more challenging coursework, which likely pushed whatever abilities I had even further. And in the end, I certainly would not say that my special "talented and gifted" status made me any likelier to succeed than if I'd just been an ordinary kid. My achievements to date are pretty ordinary. Many high achieving adults showed no outstanding abilities as children. 

So are talented and gifted programs overrated, too? Or do they serve an important purpose in our educational system that should not be ignored? I grew up in the system, so I'm inclined to be in favor of them. I wonder what others think, and what the research shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luc reminds me of Colvin&#8217;s final chapter. Really the whole premise of his book is that our achievement is not rooted in talent, but in belief - what the people around us believe about our abilities and thus, what we believe about our own capacity to achieve. If we believe we can achieve mastery, we probably can. </p>
<p>Gladwell&#8217;s opening chapter of Outliers is relevant, too. Slight variations in ability, or even perceptions of unusual ability, may lead teachers, coaches, or parents to award a child with special praise or attention, which motivates him to try harder at the activity, which leads to more success, which may get him access to better teachers, and begins a cycle that propels him toward mastery.</p>
<p>I just started Outliers so I haven&#8217;t read about the 10,000 hours yet, but will be interested to see if I agree with Kaizan. Does Gladwell&#8217;s 10,000 hour theory apply mainly to a broad, complex activity, such as &#8220;playing golf&#8221; or &#8220;mastering chess?&#8221; If so, I&#8217;d think the evidence I&#8217;ve seen supports it. If you&#8217;re going to attack something simple, like the video game Pong, you could probably achieve mastery in less time.</p>
<p>Bakari raises interesting questions. Where does passion for a skill set come from? Are we born with a passion for something that makes us work harder to improve our skills, or are we born with natural abilities in select areas, so that our early success motivates us to keep trying? Do we inherit our parents&#8217; passion?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of an article I read about hypersensitivities in gifted children. <a href="http://bit.ly/3wi2b7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3wi2b7</a> I do believe there is &#8220;neurodiversity&#8221; among human beings, that our abilities fall along a spectrum and some people are at the high end of the spectrum and stand out from the crowd. I personally related to Dabrowski&#8217;s classification of &#8220;Intellectual Intensity&#8221; defined below:</p>
<p>&#8220;This intensity is the one most recognized in gifted children. It is characterized by activities of the mind, thought and thinking about thinking. Children who lead with this intensity seem to be thinking all the time and want answers to deep thoughts. Sometimes their need for answers will get them in trouble in school when their questioning of the teacher can look like disrespectful challenging.&#8221;</p>
<p>Deep curiosity<br />
Love of knowledge and learning<br />
Love of problem solving<br />
Avid reading<br />
Asking of probing questions<br />
Theoretical thinking<br />
Analytical thinking<br />
Independent thinking<br />
Concentration, ability to maintain intellectual effort&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Dabrowski&#8217;s theory bunk, or is this really a type of giftedness? Did I just develop these characteristics because my parents were teachers and encouraged me to love learning and thinking? I always felt different from other kids growing up, but was it a result of adults telling me I was different and the belief then leading me to work harder intellectually? I also was given access to &#8220;talented and gifted&#8221; programs and more challenging coursework, which likely pushed whatever abilities I had even further. And in the end, I certainly would not say that my special &#8220;talented and gifted&#8221; status made me any likelier to succeed than if I&#8217;d just been an ordinary kid. My achievements to date are pretty ordinary. Many high achieving adults showed no outstanding abilities as children. </p>
<p>So are talented and gifted programs overrated, too? Or do they serve an important purpose in our educational system that should not be ignored? I grew up in the system, so I&#8217;m inclined to be in favor of them. I wonder what others think, and what the research shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Bakari</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It becomes apparent in any endeavor that after a certain point most people will settle for a certain level of proficiency. I believe that the passion one has for a skill set also determines how much effort they will apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It becomes apparent in any endeavor that after a certain point most people will settle for a certain level of proficiency. I believe that the passion one has for a skill set also determines how much effort they will apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaizan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post. I read "outliers" and didn't agree with his blanket statement of 10,000 hours needed to get good at something. 

I think it really depends on what niche you choose to dominate at. The smaller the niche, the less time required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post. I read &#8220;outliers&#8221; and didn&#8217;t agree with his blanket statement of 10,000 hours needed to get good at something. </p>
<p>I think it really depends on what niche you choose to dominate at. The smaller the niche, the less time required.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Reid at The Willpower Engine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc Reid at The Willpower Engine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was a great post, Chris; I'm putting up a link to it on my own site.  I particularly liked your discussion of surrender; I think it's a poorly-understood but essential piece of the puzzle, and wrote about it on my own site recently.

Please let me offer a fourth recommendation for Gladwell's Outliers, although it wasn't as revelatory for me as Colvin's Talent Is Overrated.

Kris's point is well-taken, but Chris, I think you might be backtracking too far in saying "There is no denying that natural giftedness and good luck give some people an edge in the quest for greatness." Good luck, sure (although a lot of good luck is made), and Gladwell makes a great case for this in his book. But natural giftedness? Now we're just getting back to that false idea of inborn talent! In the research on the subject, I know of only two exceptions to the idea that everyone has about the same innate capacity to be great in everything: range of intelligence and physical limitations. Where intelligence is concerned, apparently we're each born with a potential range of intelligence (the IQ-related version) that we can maximize or minimize based on what we do with our brains. However, studies that have followed kids with genius level intelligence seem to show that they aren't any more successful than kids who are just "smart." The truth of the intelligence question seems to be that if you're smart enough to get through grad school, then with enough deliberate practice you can be a world champion at anything intellectual. László Polgár believed this would be true, and raised his three daughters to all be world-class chess champions to prove it, despite not being a particularly exceptional chess player himself.

About physical limitations, some activities are going to require a larger or smaller frame, longer legs, or other characteristics that are genetic. And there are a few special abilities--like absolute pitch that a few musicians have--that seem to be genetic too.

Sorry to go on so long; this is a favorite subject. Enjoyed the post, and am looking forward to reading others.

Luc Reid
The Willpower Engine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a great post, Chris; I&#8217;m putting up a link to it on my own site.  I particularly liked your discussion of surrender; I think it&#8217;s a poorly-understood but essential piece of the puzzle, and wrote about it on my own site recently.</p>
<p>Please let me offer a fourth recommendation for Gladwell&#8217;s Outliers, although it wasn&#8217;t as revelatory for me as Colvin&#8217;s Talent Is Overrated.</p>
<p>Kris&#8217;s point is well-taken, but Chris, I think you might be backtracking too far in saying &#8220;There is no denying that natural giftedness and good luck give some people an edge in the quest for greatness.&#8221; Good luck, sure (although a lot of good luck is made), and Gladwell makes a great case for this in his book. But natural giftedness? Now we&#8217;re just getting back to that false idea of inborn talent! In the research on the subject, I know of only two exceptions to the idea that everyone has about the same innate capacity to be great in everything: range of intelligence and physical limitations. Where intelligence is concerned, apparently we&#8217;re each born with a potential range of intelligence (the IQ-related version) that we can maximize or minimize based on what we do with our brains. However, studies that have followed kids with genius level intelligence seem to show that they aren&#8217;t any more successful than kids who are just &#8220;smart.&#8221; The truth of the intelligence question seems to be that if you&#8217;re smart enough to get through grad school, then with enough deliberate practice you can be a world champion at anything intellectual. László Polgár believed this would be true, and raised his three daughters to all be world-class chess champions to prove it, despite not being a particularly exceptional chess player himself.</p>
<p>About physical limitations, some activities are going to require a larger or smaller frame, longer legs, or other characteristics that are genetic. And there are a few special abilities&#8211;like absolute pitch that a few musicians have&#8211;that seem to be genetic too.</p>
<p>Sorry to go on so long; this is a favorite subject. Enjoyed the post, and am looking forward to reading others.</p>
<p>Luc Reid<br />
The Willpower Engine</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Quick</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris, you make an excellent point. A whole new idea to explore. Physical and mental ability certainly can make some players more likely to succeed in a given field. There is no denying that natural giftedness and good luck give some people an edge in the quest for greatness. I believe Gladwell offers several examples of this in "Outliers."

Other categories of advantages exist as well. Geoff Colvin point out in "Talent is Overrated" that it's unlikely Tiger Woods would be Tiger Woods if he didn't have Earl Woods as a father, or that Mozart would be Mozart without his music teacher father.  A parent's passion for a sport or art form and skill at teaching their progeny can create genius when paired with decades of hard work and deliberate practice.

But what if instead of viewing these blessed superstars as unique among all humanity, we viewed them as the norm? What if we ALL are uniquely advantaged to be a genius at some endeavor, if we could discover our strengths and then apply ourselves to developing mastery in our chosen field? 

And what if we pursued mastery at swimming, or golf, or music, not only for the sake of competition (though competition compels us to achieve more), but for the joy of practice and growth? I think we have to find the meaning in the work rather than the rewards or we'll end up with the Salieri-effect - bitterness that God didn't give us what Mozart got. Nobody wants to be that dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris, you make an excellent point. A whole new idea to explore. Physical and mental ability certainly can make some players more likely to succeed in a given field. There is no denying that natural giftedness and good luck give some people an edge in the quest for greatness. I believe Gladwell offers several examples of this in &#8220;Outliers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other categories of advantages exist as well. Geoff Colvin point out in &#8220;Talent is Overrated&#8221; that it&#8217;s unlikely Tiger Woods would be Tiger Woods if he didn&#8217;t have Earl Woods as a father, or that Mozart would be Mozart without his music teacher father.  A parent&#8217;s passion for a sport or art form and skill at teaching their progeny can create genius when paired with decades of hard work and deliberate practice.</p>
<p>But what if instead of viewing these blessed superstars as unique among all humanity, we viewed them as the norm? What if we ALL are uniquely advantaged to be a genius at some endeavor, if we could discover our strengths and then apply ourselves to developing mastery in our chosen field? </p>
<p>And what if we pursued mastery at swimming, or golf, or music, not only for the sake of competition (though competition compels us to achieve more), but for the joy of practice and growth? I think we have to find the meaning in the work rather than the rewards or we&#8217;ll end up with the Salieri-effect - bitterness that God didn&#8217;t give us what Mozart got. Nobody wants to be that dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, everything that you mentioned, Chris, is important. But innate physical and mental ability matter as well.

One obvious example: Michael Phelps. As many sports writers have noted, his body is uniquely suited for swimming well. Imagine Michael and a second swimmer with a body less suited for swimming. If both Michael and the second swimmer shared the same coach, practiced the same number of hours, ate the same food, slept the same amount of time, had the same attitude, which one do you think would be the more successful swimmer?

It seems clear that it would be Phelps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, everything that you mentioned, Chris, is important. But innate physical and mental ability matter as well.</p>
<p>One obvious example: Michael Phelps. As many sports writers have noted, his body is uniquely suited for swimming well. Imagine Michael and a second swimmer with a body less suited for swimming. If both Michael and the second swimmer shared the same coach, practiced the same number of hours, ate the same food, slept the same amount of time, had the same attitude, which one do you think would be the more successful swimmer?</p>
<p>It seems clear that it would be Phelps.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Quick</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Jean Philippe, Sean, and Arif all recommend Gladwell's Outliers is a sure sign I need to move my newly-purchased Audible copy to the top of the iPod. It seems like there have been a lot of books published in this vein lately - Mindset by Carol Dweck and The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin (of Searching for Bobby Fischer fame) are also in my lineup. 

Love Leo's comment about creativity being strengthened with use. Just heard this referred to as "deliberate creativity" - a term that resonates with deliberate practice. Makes me want to seek out Twyla Tharp's book on the creative process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Jean Philippe, Sean, and Arif all recommend Gladwell&#8217;s Outliers is a sure sign I need to move my newly-purchased Audible copy to the top of the iPod. It seems like there have been a lot of books published in this vein lately - Mindset by Carol Dweck and The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin (of Searching for Bobby Fischer fame) are also in my lineup. </p>
<p>Love Leo&#8217;s comment about creativity being strengthened with use. Just heard this referred to as &#8220;deliberate creativity&#8221; - a term that resonates with deliberate practice. Makes me want to seek out Twyla Tharp&#8217;s book on the creative process.</p>
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		<title>By: How to be a Master, The ingredient I have been missing&#8230;. - raysavant.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to be a Master, The ingredient I have been missing&#8230;. - raysavant.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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